jedintheshed
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 11:53:01 AM
If FOX NEWS did such a blunder the liberal media such as ABC would be all over the story
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kelsielee
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2010 7:44:47 AM
The continued danger of such intensive media coverage - as each outlet tries to outdo the others. The fallout seems to be a lack of truth and integrity.
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must87searcher
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:07:49 PM
The news media objective is to provide the views with important information. Now, like other businesses, they do have a demand for making profit, and a lot of that money comes from commericailizing. Putting a comericail on does come with a price.
Now, one newsreporter said that they were instruted to exagerate the story in order to attract more attention. If this could happen on one TV news report, it could occure very often, espeically when the market is so low as it is today.
When I get news, it is read from something, like a web site or news paper. They can carry more detailed information. The only times I watch is when something big occures, like Superbowl, weather reports, and major events.
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zakarpattya
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 5:58:19 PM
Cable news networks are much more trustworthy than the traditional news networks. I stick with Fox and CNN.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 4:01:16 PM
CDT206 wrote:
>Who knows if this story is really true. ABC has "SET UP"
>other companies for a Story, does any one remember their
>Food Lion story?
The story broke soon after Food Lion initially penetrated major Texas markets. They were doing fairly well until the ABC story hit, then they eventually had to leave the state. The nearest ex-Food Lion is now a self-store place. It's also just a few feet above the ocean and if Ike would have turned the wrong way their lockers would have had five feet of salt water saturating their contents.
Also, don't forget NBC's "Dateline" where they fixed up some Chevrolet pickup trucks to explode.
CBS also went after the accelerating Audis even though in this case the NHTSA couldn't find anything wrong.
The MSM frequently leaves a good bit to be desired. Disney (ABC), General Electric (NBC), CBS. Makes you glad you can get FOX on cable TV.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 3:48:36 PM
Amplion wrote:
>What you drive reflects WHO YOU ARE ......
Does that mean that if you drive a Ford that you don't mind fixes or repairs daily?
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 3:46:01 PM
raleightom wrote:
>I bet if Toyotas were banned from our streets until the
>NHSTA was convinced they were safe then we would see
>some action.
A Toyota hiccups, everybody freaks out.
A Government Motors vehicle hiccups, nobody is surprised.
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Night Owl
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:46:04 PM
Shame on ABC News.
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raleightom
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:30:04 PM
I bet if Toyotas were banned from our streets until the NHSTA was convinced they were safe then we would see some action.
Whoops, that's right, the NHSTA does think they are safe or says it does.
I was driving to the meet market in my Ford today to get some snack for basketball tonight when I saw this stupid Toyota behind me. Well, no one has told us when they are working correctly or not so I immediately stopped in order to help the Toyota come to a halt just in case it was a run-a-way. Damn thing rear ended me. Can you imagine that. Boy, Oh boy, I guess they do have braking problems ;)
Cop wrote the well endowed woman a ticket for driving an endangered vehicle. That is what he told me anyway. Probably was making a date with her.
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npt
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:28:49 PM
Report facts which helps improving things rather than quick buck.
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fedex09
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:26:17 PM
OK?
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AuburnTim
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:22:54 PM
No company likes being exposed if there is the slightest truth to what has been revealed.
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CDT206
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:12:52 PM
Who knows if this story is really true. ABC has "SET UP" other companies for a Story, does any one remember their Food Lion story?
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Amplion
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:06:12 PM
CLEAN THINGS UP !!
Get rid of ABC, Disney & TOYOTA/LEXUS
What you drive reflects WHO YOU ARE ......
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pecos
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:06:03 PM
Looks as if there needs to be a flag thrown for piling on.
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oldiesman
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:04:29 PM
Tired of hearing about toyota.
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aldog365
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:02:21 PM
The late night toyota jokes will be next.Who cares about RPM,they should show a push button that wont cut the engine off.
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rasprout
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:02:14 PM
Is this news or piling on for ABC...
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PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:01:36 PM
No biggie. It's called literary license. Just a little manipulation to allow us to see the big picture. Doesn't change the fact Toyota is stonewalling their criminal conduct.
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cuspid
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:01:26 PM
Who do you believe
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AcuraTSX
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:01:04 PM
ABC the mean street media did this? I am shocked!
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OnEmptyMO
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 12:00:31 PM
The fact remains, Toyota still has a serious problem, and a 2 second shot of a tach, is not going to correct the problem.
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RochBear
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:57:18 AM
Instead of fixing the problem, Toyota is attacking ABC. So they showed a photo of the dash when the car was parked, vs moving down the road. But that does not change the fact that this Toyota car has a major flaw which has killed at LEAST 34 Americans. (probably more, since Dead people can't talk).
Why would anyone defend Toyota. They have a very Serious problem, They don't know how to fix it, and Proof is out that Toyota has known about this for many years, and has successfully covered it up till now.
If you want to drive a toyota and Kill yourself that's fine with me, but stay off the same roads that I am on, I don't want to get hurt/killed by one of these death traps flying down the road. They should ban all toyota sales, until Toyota truely fixes this problem.
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jimgraham
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:53:17 AM
Way to go ABC. Or should that be ABFailure?
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CISA
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:52:21 AM
so the media distorts reporting --- what a shock!
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Zinnoil
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:52:04 AM
They should sue ABC for making it up.
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mazdaboy
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:44:52 AM
They should have seen this one coming.
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Jeff4U
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:40:39 AM
Amazing; how easy you find it to judge people you don't know.
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dalejag
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:39:54 AM
I think Toyota is trying to distract us from the real problem. I knew right away when I saw the report that the car was NOT moving. Speedometer read zero. I just took it as a visual example of what happened. No big deal.
The problem is Toyota has a problem and they need to spend time on fixing it and not just their image they are so worried about.
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Lenguado
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:35:51 AM
Chiron - agree with you totally.
And so is GM (Govt Motors), Chrysler, Honda, Ford, Mitsubishi, GMC, Pontiac, etc, etc, etc....
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Chiron
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:32:29 AM
I don't care what the news reports , Toyota is a lying, manipulative piece of crap company with a president who is the same.
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Bud122CA
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:31:51 AM
Toyota and Toyoda knew about the problem and chose to down play it. Now they are being held to answer. I hope it cost Toyota and Toyoda Billions. They should think about safety instead of Greed.
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Lengas
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:31:38 AM
Toyota deserves all the slaps it gets
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ottodrommo
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:30:07 AM
It doesn't matter which media outlet says it the fairness in reporting went out the window years ago. All news channels prove that daily.
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GoBlazers
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:29:21 AM
Just a brief pit stop on your way to Toyota-haterville.
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ChuckGVT
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:29:06 AM
Since when has ABC been ethical?
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Ticoman54
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:28:42 AM
Regardless of this, Toyota did everything it could to cover up the problem. They made their bed, it's time for them to deal with the consequences instead of continuing to deny the problem doesn't exist.
[Edited by: Ticoman54 at 3/11/2010 12:29:04 PM EST]
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BEngr
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:25:52 AM
Some times things get distorted to make a better picture, it appears that this is the case. It's hard to duplicate the real thing because there are many factors to consider.
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bikechuck
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:24:34 AM
Good summary Manola 1. Sad when a 'professor' rigs the results, (how about the Global warming data as well) to make a good story. News doesn't do enough to research the data. I have been fooled by some emails that I have forwarded as true as well.
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nehemiah
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:21:03 AM
news media always have a bias; so we need to read the news with knowledge
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VWC
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:20:58 AM
What do you expect from the so-called "main stream media"?
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giro
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:19:01 AM
Ahhh, the truth in TV
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threewheeler
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:16:40 AM
Conserve
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myambro
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:16:29 AM
At least we have the ability to vote out or impeach politicians. Journalistic Integrity is a crock and nothing to keep them in line.
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CaliberMan71
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:15:35 AM
You can point fingers all you want. The problem is Toyota. I can not ever remember a auto maker recalling 8+ million autos in a one year time frame. Buy Big 3!
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Standin
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:14:42 AM
Hollywood ta ta ta ta ta Hollywood...Pleaseeee
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Manolo1
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:13:46 AM
Whatever sliver of respect you had left for our nation's television media has likely been crushed in the last few days. Surely you've heard about David W. Gilbert, an automotive technology professor at Southern Illinois University-Carbondale. Gilbert said he could recreate unintended acceleration in a Toyota by short-circuiting the electronics. Trouble is, the way Gilbert created the "problem" included shaving insulation from wires and touching together wires that would never get close to each other in the real world.
Gilbert took his "findings" to ABC News, which swallowed the story hook, line and sinker, broadcasting Gilbert's story late last month. (No surprise there--exploding pickup fuel tanks, anyone?) Gilbert also testified before Congress, and I don't have to tell you that members' lack of car knowledge had them lapping it up.
Stating the obvious, Toyota said it would be near impossible for the professor's findings to just happen in a car on the road. Toyota's Kristen Tabar, general manager of electronics systems at the automaker's tech center in Ann Arbor, Mich., further refuted the professor, saying an automaker shouldn't have to design "detection strategies for artificially created events."
I couldn't agree more. She added that if Gilbert's short-circuit had happened in the real world, it would have left "readily detectable fingerprints."
For ABC News and our illustrious federal government to blindly lend credibility to Gilbert is little more than an unconscionable grab at headlines (witness one senator proposing a U.S. ban on all Japanese auto imports). Perhaps needless to say, Gilbert has gone silent and won't comment. That none of this surprises me is really sad.
I've said this before--I have no doubt there is a problem (or problems) with Toyota vehicles in need of proper investigation. But what it doesn't need is exactly what's happening: hysterics from consumers, television talking heads, and worst of all, the government.
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100311/FREE/100319968#ixzz0htBmwSaE
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Lenguado
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:07:23 AM
As there are still many problems with many other manufacturers vehicles,,,,,
Hmmmmm,,,,,
Forget Toyota. Chrysler's got the most problems.
http://www.orlandogasprices.com/news/Forget_Toyota_Chrysler_s_got_the_most_problems/24367_402059/index.aspx
http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/10/news/companies/chrysler_customer_problems/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin
Or how about the official NHTSA report of "Monthly Defect Investigation Report - Engineering Analysis" for Feb 2010....
I see a whole bunch of Chevys (Corvette), Fords, and Hondas in there....
(http://nhthqnwws111.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pursuits/2010/INVMTY-022010-1234.pdf)
i seem to remember hearing something about, 'People living in GLASS HOUSES - and THROWING STONES', and all that.....
EA08-015 2005 HONDA ODYSSEY UNEXPECTED CLOSING OF POWER LIFTGATE 08-AUG-2008
EA08-018 2002-2003 FORD TAURUS AND MERCURY SABLE IN SALT BELT STATES FRONT SUSPENSION COIL SPRING FRACTURE 28-AUG-2008
EA08-026 MY2003-2006 SAAB 9-3 IN SALT BELT STATES FRONT SUSPENSION COIL SPRING FRACTURE 22-DEC-2008
EA09-001 2002-03 HONDA ACCORD MODELS WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION IGNITION PARK-SHIFT INTERLOCK 05-JAN-2009
EA09-002 MODEL YEAR 2005 & 2006 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL MALFUNCTION 14-JAN-2009
EA09-003 MODEL YEAR 1998 - 2005 VOLVO VNL AND VN TRUCKS DRAG LINK FAILURE 15-JAN-2009
EA09-004 2004-2005 CHEVROLET MALIBU, MALIBU MAXX PARK/TURN/STOP/DRL LAMPS 20-MAR-2009
EA09-005 2003-2005 INFINITI Q45 AND 2003-2004 INFINITI M45 SIDE AIR BAG NON-DEPLOYMENT 01-APR-2009
EA09-006 MY 2003 TOYOTA SEQUOIA ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL AND/OR TRAC 08-APR-2009
EA09-008 2007-2008 PETERBILT AND KENWORTH TRUCKS WITH HORTON FAN HUBS HORTON FAN FAILURES 29-MAY-2009
EA09-009 MY 2005-2009 MACK CTP, CV, CNX,CXU,GU,LE,MR AIR BRAKE SYSTEM 18-JUN-2009
EA09-010 MY 2004 -2008 NEW FLYER TRANSIT VEHICLES AIR BRAKE SYSTEM 18-JUN-2009
EA09-012 2007-08 KONA CLT LT215/85R16 TIRES SIDEWALL BULGES OR SEPARATION 17-JUL-2009
EA09-MY 2002 - 2005 FORD EXPLORER / MERCURY MOUNTAINEER VEHICLE ROLLAWAY ALLEGATIONS 18-AUG-2009013
EA09-014 2007-2008 HONDA ODYSSEY AIR IN BRAKE SYSTEM 19-OCT-2009
EA09-016 2004 AND 2005 FORD FREESTAR AND MERCURY MONTEREY TORQUE CONVERTER OUTPUT SHAFT FAILURE 10-NOV-2009
EA09-017 MY2007-2008 KIA SORENTO VEHS TO 11/27/2007 AIR BAG OCS FAILURE 19-NOV-2009
EA09-018 MY 1998 - 2002 ISUZU RODEO AND HONDA PASSPORT REAR SUSPENSION LOWER LINK FAILURE 07-DEC-2009
EA09-019 2002-2005 BMW 3 SERIES SEDANS (E46) REAR LAMP ILLUMINATION 18-DEC-2009
EA10-001 MY2004-2006 FORD F-150 VEHICLES INADVERTENT AIRBAG DEPLOYMENT 13-JAN-2010
EA10-002 MY2001-2004 FORD ESCAPE AND MAZDA TRIBUTE ENGINE COMPARTMENT FIRE 14-JAN-2010
PE09-044 2007-2008 CHEVROLET TAHOE/GMC YUKON INTERIOR DOOR HANDLE LACERATION HAZARD 14-SEP-2009
PE09-045 MODEL YEAR 2004 - 2006 MAZDA RX8 W/MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS CLUTCH PEDAL BRACKET FAILURE 23-SEP-2009
PE09-048 2004 SAAB 9-3 SEAT BELT RETRACTOR 30-SEP-2009 25-FEB-2010
PE09-053 MY 2003-04 INTERNATIONAL CE BUSES STARTER WIRE ABRADES PARKING CABLE 09-NOV-2009 03-FEB-2010
PE09-054 MY 2006 TOYOTA COROLLA AND MATRIX WITH 1ZZ-FE ENGINE ENGINE STALLING - ECM FAILURE 30-NOV-2009
PE09-055 1997-2008 E350/450 FORD CAB/CHASSIS HVAC SWITCH FAILURES 07-DEC-2009
PE09-056 2004 MITSUBISHI ENDEAVOR GASOLINE LEAKS 30-DEC-2009
PE10-001 2005-2011 D SERIES MCI MOTORCOACHES WHEEL CHAIR LIFT SEPARATES FROM BUS 14-JAN-2010
PE10-002 2006-2011 SUTPHEN SPH AERIAL LADDER TRUCK DRIVESHAFT FAILURE 19-JAN-2010
PE10-003 2010-2011 C2 THOMAS BUILT SCHOOL BUS INOPERATIVE 8-WAY WARNING LAMPS 20-JAN-2010
PE10-004 2008-10 BUELL 1125C & CR SUDDEN FUEL EXPULSION 25-JAN-2010
PE10-005 MY 2005-2009 CHEVROLET COBALT ELECTRIC POWER STEERING FAILURE 27-JAN-2010
PE10-006 MY 2010 TOYOTA PRIUS BRAKING PERFORMANCE 03-FEB-2010
PE10-007 2009-2011 C2 THOMAS BUILT SCHOOL BUSES STOP LAMPS INTERMITTENT 03-FEB-2010
PE10-008 MY 2009-10 TOYOTA COROLLA, COROLLA MATRIX STEERING WANDER OR DRIFT 18-FEB-2010
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zimowski
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:06:27 AM
So much for trusting what you see in the news.
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RAC110
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2010 11:05:51 AM
take a pill and get down to fixing the problems
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